Are seeds overall bad?
Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:40 PM
I just wanted to hear some more opinions on this. Currently ralphie eats TONS and TONS of fresh fruits and veggies, and certain colored pellets (usually orange and blue, I give him all of the colors that's just what he picks out).
Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:54 PM
Rembrandt "Remi" - 7 year old male white bellied caique :wbc:
Tiki - 1 year old male?? white bellied caique :wbc:
Lily - 1 year old female goffin's cockatoo :i.batan:
Many thanks to Renae for the adorable signature picture!
Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:43 PM
Also, Two Budgies - Four Parrotlets - & some four legged fur monsters.
R.I.P Ichigo - Budgie :i.seki3:
Posted 12 March 2011 - 03:29 PM
site:exoticpetvet.net/avian renal - Google Search
site:exoticpetvet.net/avian kidney - Google Search
A parrotlet breeder lost a parrotlet to renal failure at the age of 6 months, due to feeding pellets.
Pellets & Mutations
In my own aviary, I am no longer feeding pellets to my mutations after losing a male fallow Pacific at six months to kidney failure. In fact, I do not give pellets to my split mutation parrotlets either. As with all my birds, about 70% of their diet is fresh foods with the remainder being seed.
Do not mistake me, I am not pointing out that pellets are bad, only that they are not good in large quantities, and possibly even small quantities for *some* species of birds. These species usually include budgies, cockatiels, lovebirds, parrotlets, possibly other similar sized birds, and the occasional eclectus. These species should be fed perhaps 50% or less (if any at all) of the diet as pellets. A good portion should be seeds, grains, legumes, veggies and *some* fruit (many of the smaller species who eat grain usually are not big fruit eaters to begin with - although fruit should never take up a large portion of any parrots diet, unless they are a species that eats a large amount of fruit to begin with).
Medium (conures, poi's, pionus, psittacula, etc) and large species are fine on diets that include 50-75% pellets, with the rest hopefully making up a variety of healthy (and some "non-healthy") foods. If you are concerned about feeding seeds at all, even as treats, then feed sprouted seeds instead! A small amount of seed to an already healthy diet isn't going to kill the bird!
Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:17 PM
Also, Two Budgies - Four Parrotlets - & some four legged fur monsters.
R.I.P Ichigo - Budgie :i.seki3:
Posted 22 March 2011 - 01:11 PM
Pellets are good for the larger parrots, just obviously heaps of veggie and fruit. Mine eat more veggie and fruit than pellets, but eat organic pellets so there is nothing artificial that could cause problems. Since it seems those pellets have the seeds + oats etc + minerals and vitamins. They do get treats of 'seed sticks' its like seeds with dried fruits and veggies minerals vitamins and honey. Then they sometimes if very good get treats of seed for doing training, almonds and their favourite fruits.
Posted 23 March 2011 - 02:30 PM
be very healthy. I adopted a Cockatiel about a month ago, ditto with
him. I have tried introducing everything else, in every way, but they
won't touch the stuff. I buy fruit/seed mix for the Cockatiel, fortified
mix for the Parakeets. Like I said, they seem to be very healthy.
Posted 23 March 2011 - 08:50 PM
You're made to prefer foods that are good for you, it's just when you have too much that it becomes a problem!
Posted 04 April 2011 - 11:49 AM
Posted 04 April 2011 - 12:21 PM
I feed my flock 1/3 Volkman no sunflower, 1/3 Roudybush, 1/3 fresh and cooked foods. I will feed avi-cakes and nutriberries in place of the seed sometimes.
Posted 04 April 2011 - 08:03 PM
The average parakeet seed mix contains between approx. 30-40% millet seed, often a variation of white, red or japanese millets.
Lets take white millet as an example, as that is a popular addition to any seed mix.
(these are average figures of the basic breakdown of white millet...)
calcium and various other minerals
Roudybush daily maintenance, as an example, contains around 7% fat.
The average small parakeet seed mix, including sunflower seeds, contains between 9 and 13% fat overall.
Sunflower seeds have a much higher fat content, around 40-45% fat per seed.
Using a quality seedmix without sunflower seeds, will bring the overall fat content right down, probably lower than that of the mainstream pellets we see today.
Yep, alot of seed mixes do lack crucial vitamins and nutrients the birds require (but so do alot of pellets). That's why it's important to have a good mix. I went from a seedmix containing 9 different seeds to one with 27 varieties, and the birds are doing great on it. Seeds are not as high in fat as alot of people are lead to believe. They do contain various essential vitamins and minerals the birds need to be healthy ... you just have to be using the right seed mix. Are they a complete diet, no? Neither are pellets. Having said all that, I offer pellets to my lovebirds, but only around 5-10% of their daily diet. 65-70% is seeds and the rest if made up of vegetables/fruits , egg foods and other supplements.
The only real research into diet requirements of parrots and parakeets has been carried out by pellet manfacturers over the years. The main competitor for pellets is seed, so naturally these 'findings' are NEVER going to be in favour of seed based diets, they MUST make seeds look bad. The truth and facts have been twisted, turned, tucked and plucked, leading to alot of misconception about seeds. Yep, vets recommend them....most vets also sell them ... Lets not forget the majority of vets used to state how grit was essential for parrots and parakeets back in the days ... the tend to go with the latest trends and whatever makes them the most money.
Posted 04 April 2011 - 08:31 PM
My birds benefit psychologically from eating seed mix and I just feed them seed mix, pellets and fresh and cooked foods. For me it's the best of all worlds of foods for them.
Posted 05 April 2011 - 12:17 AM
I think the main point should be, they are certainly not as fatty as many are led to believe. The main issue with heavy, basic seed diets is, as you say, is the lack of certain crucial elements. It's certainly more of a threat than the fat content. That's why supplements are important with seed diets. I'm with you on the variety thing, is certainly the best option out there. The portions of each food given should be tweaked then to suit the species of bird and it's lifestyle. (indoor caged birds should have a lower fat diet than outdoor aviary birds for example).
Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:00 AM
If you are feeding very high quality seeds and are not feeding them as a large part of the diet I think it is fine. My birds sometimes get seeds five times a week and sometimes they go for a month or two without them. Same with pellets. They are very used to getting a prepared breakfast of veggies/grains/beans and get very angry when I try to cheat by offering them seeds or pellets instead. They scream until I give in and fill the bowl with some chopped up veggies, Soak And Simmer, or an Avian Organics meal.
Posted 30 April 2011 - 11:34 AM
So, upon converting to pellets at his checkup 2 months later his weight is a whole lot better and he is also better co-ordinated.
But, I definitly do not feed 100% pellets.
Usually feed 40% pellets 60% fruit in cage 24/7 then treats are nuts - almonds have no cholestorol and apparantly help in lowering it. I also feed healthier seeds + dried fruit and veg without preservatives etc.
I do agree pellets should only be the organic types or ones without heaps of 'what the hell is that?!?!?' ingrediants.
I also feed a mash in the mornings and some nights thats warm legumes sprouts berrys grains etc all warmed up and yummy.
In the wild birds do eat some seeds but oftentimes they are not always plentiful/everywhere they mainly eat grasses plants fruits and veg berries - stuff from peoples gardens/fields wild good things .. unfortunately things people throw away to in food containers
Seeds are not overall bad, nor are pellets but to much of one thing is bad! So a great balanced variety is key.
Though if you dont have loads of time on hands so need a easy option pellets + fruit and veg + treats of seed nut is a easy to feed diet that will keep your birds healthy and living a long time.
If a bird eats say 20-30% + seed they could end up like my adopted bird and be at the cholestorol level to where it'd end up with fatty liver disease and die early a lot earlier than what a bird should. BUT that said many birds like budgies are meant to eat more seed I suppose I am more talking about parrots/med - large birds, Or the smallerish parrots like Indian Ringnecks like I have.
I used to feed more seed until I saw Charlies blood test results and cried for him because it was scary to think of what could have happened if I didnt turn it around.
Cholestrol/to much fat can also be found in quite a few nuts and toast and other treat style things. Ollie was once having a issue and I brought him into the vet and his cholestorol was raised it was around the time I let him share a lot of my morning toast. So, once I stopped doing that it returned to normal! So lots of little things can really add up. Like potato chips that Ollie is also a huge fan of!
Posted 01 May 2011 - 02:59 PM
...BUT that said many birds like budgies are meant to eat more seed I suppose I am more talking about parrots/med - large birds, Or the smallerish parrots like Indian Ringnecks like I have.
Spot on! The nutritional requirements differ between species. The food that you feed your bird should be based on the species of bird in question, the environment it lives in, how much exercise it gets aswell different diets for breeding and non-breeding birds. Parrot diet is too broad to dicuss. The nutritional preferences differ slightly between different species of lovebird, let alone between lovebirds and other parrots for example. What's wrong is how so many people believe seeds to be very high in fat, when you only have to search the nutitional breakdown of the common seeds in a small bird diet, and you can see they contain less raw fat than pellets do. The problem with the average seed mix is that certain nutrients/minerals are lacking - This is the problem, not the fat content. That's why a proper seed mix is important, aswell as other supplementary foods. My mixes contain 27 different seeds, many of them are wild seeds, grass seeds, mustard seeds etc etc which you never find in the average small parakeet seed mix.
0 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users