cage size for White Front Amazon
Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:26 PM
I'm considering possibly adopting a senior, somewhat sick White Front Amazon from my local SPCA. I was wondering what cage size would be appropriate? I was thinking at least 36" wide, but was not sure if I could get away with the cheaper and more widely available 32" wide cage?
The bird I am considering is estimate to be about 25-30 years old, he has cataracts and was underweight, but has been doing better and gaining weight under supervision of their avian vet (who has also seen my other birds before).
I feel bad for this bird, and am interested in giving him a good home to live out his days. One of the adoption counselors there told me that "they didn't seem to think he had that much left".
He is fairly inactive since he's not feeling too hot right now, but I want to make sure I get a large enough cage anyways. Thoughts? Is 32" wide OK, or should I definitely go for at least 36"? Thanks!
Posted 04 August 2011 - 05:36 PM
My Amazon was in a larger cage, and is now in a smaller one. He just didn't like all that space. He's also a large Zon. Most Zons are somewhat perch potatoes and wouldn't even utilize tons of extra space.
You can always upgrade later if you feel he needs more room.
Becky.....Where Fur and Feather Meet.
Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:50 PM
I will look into the 32" cages out there and see what I like! I have always wanted an Amazon, so am excited about possibly adopting Crackers, and since I have a soft spot for the old and neglected..it's my "specialty" I think with animals, haha.
Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:25 PM
The vet made a notation that he "probably is not suitable for adoption due to possibly underlying health issues..pending bloodwork results".
She suspects he has bilateral corneal mineralization (looks like white cloudiness in his eyes), he has pectoral muscle atrophy, poor feather condition, increased upper respiratory noises, and he has a heart murmur.
So it's not looking good
I felt very bad for him today; he was alert but not happy..the general public kept coming in and out of the bird room to look at them..out of curiosity mainly and it was just stressing the poor guy out every time more people came in. I told the adoption counselor I spoke with that I understand he may have medical issues, but that I would be willing to foster or adopt and just provide hospice care if that's what he needs..pending his bloodwork and whether he has any serious, contagious diseases. If he does..I don't think I can take him as the goal would be after quarantine to put him in our "bird" room with Charlie and Chico.
In the meantime, I am keeping my fingers crossed that he doesn't have anything contagious, and that they'll consider letting me take him so he can live out what time he has left in peace and quiet and not just be put to sleep after being stuck stressed out in the shelter with strangers coming and going all the time.
Posted 07 August 2011 - 07:08 AM
Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:06 PM
She said she saw no reason why he couldn't be adopted if the adopter understood it was a hospice situation, and she didn't think he had that much longer. She also does not feel that he is in any pain or suffering. He's been singing/whistling to me every time I go to visit him, and is always happy to see me
So me and the fiance are setting up the new cage we bought this week and picking Crackers up on Saturday.
Do you think a large carrier lined with fleece would be OK to bring him home in? I'm afraid a carrier with perch might be too awkward for him during the car ride (about 55 minutes) as he is elderly and has a little trouble with balance. I don't want him to feel insecure in a carrier with no perch either though..any thoughts on how to transport him home?
Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:17 PM
How about using a travel cage with a perch but line the bottom of the travel cage and under the perch with the soft fleece lining? That way, he can perch if it makes him feel comfortable, but if he falls off or loses his balance in the car, he'll land on the soft fleece?
Please keep us updated and share some pictures when you have a chance. Congrats!!
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:21 PM
However 25-30 years is not an old amazon. Not old at all.
Wf can live up to 50+ years. But his previous owner probably didn feed him anything but unhealthy foods.
That can do alot to a bird!! My Sammy is only 9 but his phiyical condition is around 15.
All due to his previous owner whom only fed him sun seeds I believe.
Again I'm glad to elhear he's going with you! I bet you could increase 15 years to his life.
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 06:10 PM
If that's the case, I can probably manage to do a lot with diet. Charlie is doing beautifully now thanks to proper diet/supplements in the beginning, and aloe vera juice (inner filet filtered only) in his water. It helped with his kidney function which was extremely poor; they didn't think he'd make it because of that. He ate sunflower seeds for 25 years.
Crackers may be past that point though; could be the heart murmur, the respiratory problems, etc. in the end that can not be battled
Either way, I will do my best and see how he does! He hasn't been getting the best diet at the shelter for the past 2 months either, which has probably contributed to his inability to actually gain weight. They've given him a parrot seed mix and Zupreem, but I bet he only picks at the seed mix.
Posted 24 August 2011 - 10:11 PM
I hope he's able to flourish in your care as your own Charlie has been able to do!
Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:31 PM
You'd be surprised what love can do for any animal. They will find the will to recover simply because you love them and they know it. Give him plenty of love for me, and give him all your attention- it sounds silly but I swear, the more love I give anything that's sick, the faster it recovers. I saved my chicken, Victoria's life after she was pecked to inches from death by an agressive hen. When she came out of shock, she spent all of her time in my lap and almost instantly when I put her there she would perk up somewhat.
Charlie is really cute, btw.
RIP Angel and Shadow. Mommy loves you.
Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:35 PM
RIP Angel and Shadow. Mommy loves you.
Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:33 PM
I had not considered the use of fish oils; Not sure my vet would know anything about it, as a lot of the holistic stuff I researched online she had no experience with, but I might check with her. Charlie right now is on daily doses of Gabapentin and Lactulose to help with constipation. The Gabapentin is for "phantom" pains that people (and presumably animals) feel and can make the uncomfortable when paralyzed. It is a very low dose, and it does seem to put him more at ease; he is less cranky. He also gets daily foot/leg rubs and goes in for acupuncture fairly regularly to help with the stiffness in his legs.
As for Crackers, I think he would be too stressed going to the vet frequently for acupuncture, but I can definitely try converting the diet slowly, and will give him some supplements in the meantime for his immune system (I used Guardian Angel for Charlie in the beginning until he was weaned over to pellets).
Posted 27 August 2011 - 08:33 PM
Everything is set up fairly level since he can't move around too well. But he seems to be OK settling in so far; definitely not stressed like our 2nd Blue Crown Chico was upon arriving. Here are two pictures I snapped with my cell phone, I will get more later on after he's settled in!
Posted 27 August 2011 - 09:19 PM
Since he's not moving around too much, you might want to get some platform perches for him. Give him something flat to stand on instead of just his perches.
Posted 27 August 2011 - 09:25 PM
I posted another thread under the cages section looking for recommendations on the best online store offering a wide variety of perches. Definitely getting a flat one that's wood, not the cement/gritty ones.
I might get one of those "comfort" file perches though to put by the water bowl or something, so it can help his nails. Do you know a good online bird store that I can potentially get all my perches from together?
Also; Crackers finally stopped screaming. He's sleepy now but watching me at the dining room table, I moved my laptop out there to sit with him.
Posted 27 August 2011 - 11:40 PM
I typically buy a lot of my stuff locally, and don't do much online shopping so I'm afraid I'm not too much help there.
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