Female Species Id Help
Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:22 PM
I am guessing she is a red-sided but mainly because she is very very big, she does have a blue eye ring and her wing span is HUGE!
Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:44 PM
IDENTIFICATION OF SUBSPECIES
Eclectus Species Identification & Side-by-side Comparisons
I'm not good with ID'ing eclectus, only I think you may be right. If you can get weight and figure out how much the various subspecies weigh, this may help you as well.
Posted 08 December 2011 - 02:30 AM
Posted 14 December 2011 - 03:40 AM
Vosmaeri and Grands do NOT have a blue eye ring and Vosmaeri do not have a defined bib. This girl has both so she is not Vos or Grand.
Female Eclectus do not have red under their wings.
Solomons and Red Sided have blue eyerings and a defined bib. Solomons have shorter bodies and rounded heads when they hold their feathers tight. The female that is my avatar picture is my Solomon girl, Rose. She has a nice eyering but there are Solomons with wider eyerings. Usually Solomons have wider eyerings than Red Sided. I don't have a Red Sided female to compare with, just Solomons and a Vos, but I do have a Red Sided male and he is quite a bit bigger than the Solomons. His head shape is a bit longer and the feathers on the back of his head are a bit different than those on my Solomon boys.
Solomons have much shorter tail feathers than Red Sided, with their folded wing tips almost coming down as far as their tail feathers (maybe the tail feather will be an inch longer at the most). Red Sided tails will be noticeably longer than the tips of the folded wings.
Below is text taken from Susie Christian's Eclectusville website. (http://www.eclectusv...tus_Parrot.html) Susie is an Eclectus expert. I was very interested to learn that the size of Solomons relates directly to how far their native habitat was from New Guinea, with the smallest birds found on the most distant islands.
Colbalt or Blue Breast-feather Group
Four of the subspecies found closest to New Guinea are the macgillivrayi, solomonensis, aruensis and biaki. All of these are very closely identified to the Red-sided Eclectus, polychloros, found throughout New Guinea (except in its high altitude mountains). Every one of these subspecies are from the cobalt-breasted group. The main difference within this group of subspecies is size.
The macgillivrayi subspecies is found directly south of New Guinea on the continent of Australia. It is found within a small range on Cape York Peninsula. The macgillivrayi is a Red-sided only much bigger. Those who have observed both can easily tell the difference. The great size in both weight and length is impressive in the Macgillivray’s Eclectus parrot. Those individual birds that colonized the Cape York Peninsula had the genes within the group that through interbreeding put size on this subspecies.
The solomonensis subspecies is found along a western to eastern line away from New Guinea through the Solomon Islands, and the Admiralty and Bismarck Archipelagos. This subspecies is very similar to the Red-sided Eclectus except that it is smaller in size. As the Solomon Islands subspecies colonized these islands away from New Guinea in a western to eastern direction, a size difference also occurred within this subspecies. The western (closest to New Guinea) populations are closer to being the same size as the Red-sided while the eastern (being furthest from New Guinea) populations are very much smaller than the Red-sided subspecies. As the Solomon Islands subspecies colonized or migrated eastward, the gene pool within those individual birds produced a smaller bird than the original subspecies found in New Guinea. It appears as the Solomon Islands subspecies migrated further eastward those individual birds even had a more selective gene pool of smaller producing birds. Some references have questioned whether the availability of food sources could have diminished their size, but this is questionable as these groups of islands have a great variety of natural food items. Anywhere a lory or lorikeet lives, so can an Eclectus Parrot, and lories populate this entire area.
The biaki subspecies occurs very close to New Guinea; in fact, it is found within one of its large bays (Geelvink Bay). This subspecies is also very similar to the Red-sided except that its size is smaller but are closer to the Solomon Islands Eclectus subspecies. Some authorities doubt its validity but this subspecies in closer inspection does stand up to the standards of being a valid subspecies.
The aruensis subspecies occurs directly west of New Guinea and is found on the Aru Islands. This subspecies is similar to that of the Red-sided Eclectus except that it is much larger in size and has a very long, narrow look to the bird. This lanky appearance is due to its very long tail and stretched-out neck. Those individual birds that did colonize this island contained these characteristics within its genes.
Lavender and Purple Breast-feather Group
There are two Eclectus subspecies that belong to the lavender- and purple-breasted group. These are the Vosmaeri (lavender-breasted) and the Grand (purple-breasted) Eclectus subspecies. These two Eclectus subspecies are further from the birthplace of the Eclectus found in New Guinea than the previously discussed subspecies (cobalt- and blue-breasted group).
The Vosmaeri subspecies is found in the northern and central Moluccas with the island of Halmahera having the dominant population. This is why some of the scientific literature refers to it as the Halmahera Eclectus. This subspecies has a lavender-breasted chest that in some individuals appears to be a pale version. This subspecies is the beginning of the colonization of the Eclectus subspecies that have a completely red breast (riedeli and cornelia).
The Grand subspecies is found in the southern Moluccas with the island of Ceram having the dominant population. There is a great variance in the Grand subspecies with some individual characteristics showing a definite bib line compared to others. Those that have the lower bib line have a bluish-purple breast compared to others individuals that have an undefined bib line and the purple breast definitely blends into the upper breast area similar to that of the Vosmaeri subspecies. What is so interesting is that the Grand subspecies from Ceram have the bib line and this island is the closest to New Guinea compared to any others of this group. This island appears to have been influenced with some of the Red-sided Eclectus genes from the big island of New Guinea.
Edited by sodakat, 14 December 2011 - 03:49 AM.
Posted 16 December 2011 - 12:48 AM
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