Managing Overbonding with humans.
Posted 16 January 2008 - 08:55 PM
I need some advice. For about a year I had one Cockatiel. Oscar is the tamest sweetest thing. He loves to cuddle with me. But he screams. He screams when he's in the cage. He screams when he's out of the cage if I'm not paying attention to him.
So, I figured he was lonely. I got another tiel that I "rescued" from a pet store where he'd been a long time. Ernie is cage bound but I'm working on that. At least he doesn't hiss anymore. After a while I introduced the two of them and now they are in the same cage. They get along just fine.
However, Oscar still screams.
I've tried everything. Treats. Ignoring him. Leaving the room. He has lots of toys that I change around. He is well fed... including home made bird bread that I found on here. This board is great by the way.
I've tried all the suggestions on here and I cannot figure out what is distressing this bird. He's so tame and wonderful otherwise.
Thanks for any help.
Posted 16 January 2008 - 10:15 PM
Posted 16 January 2008 - 10:39 PM
2 Finches - Pip & Squeak who's pictures I can't find:blushing:
Posted 16 January 2008 - 10:48 PM
Treat him for being quiet anywhere, anytime. Keep treats in your hand/pocket. At some point he'll stop, be ready with a treat. Clicker training would do well with him if he's a constant screamer. He'll get the point that in that nanosecond he's quiet, CLICK!>> good stuff is coming.
Does he scream if you cover his cage? If he stops then, slip a treat under the cover and give BIG praise. Create a situation for him that he does well in.
He'll get it, just focus on what he's doing good. If he's screaming, ignore it.
Even a bad reaction is a reaction to him.
He's could be conditioned to screaming..
Posted 16 January 2008 - 11:06 PM
BB's (birdie babies):
Grey 18yr, male Cockatiel: Daisy (yes I know)
2 yr, Female Alexandrine: Matches
2 yr, Female Green Cheek Conure: Beetle
1 yr, Male Yellowsided Green cheek: Kombi
4 mth, Purple Crowned Lorikeet: Widget
Unweaned male Pale-headed rosella and Moustache Parrot.
4 Bourkes parrots, 3 Japanese Quail,
2 Pale-Headed Rosellas
Posted 17 January 2008 - 01:25 PM
I do believe that Oscar is extremely attached to me. My family tells me that he does not scream when I'm not in the house. The cage is in the Family Room and he'll hang on the side and look at me and scream. I ignore it. I would give him treats for being quiet but I cannot figure out what to give him as a treat. Are there some suggestions?
I work at home so the screaming has got to come to an end.
Posted 17 January 2008 - 10:05 PM
Posted 18 January 2008 - 01:27 AM
I think it may have something to do with them not being able to get their independence from their parents/handfeeders.... since in the wild, birds would stay with their parents well after weaning to learn how to survive on their own.
Thus yet, I haven't really heard of any cure for this other than trying to teach them that screaming will not get them the attention that they want.
You can try rearranging the cage, maybe putting it closer to a wall or to a window (the opposite of where it is now), in a more active room or maybe a quieter room.... more toys, maybe some soft playing music... but keep the tiels together (if not same cage same room).
Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:23 AM
If anyone has successfully stopped a young tiel from screaming please please share...thanks.
Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:43 AM
Where is his cage in relation to where you are during the day? I might move his cage somewhere new, out of sight of you and put some fresh new toys in there, with some millet. Be on the ready to treat him when he's quiet and away from you. As I said before, CREATE an environment where he can do good and be treated. As he is now, he doesn't KNOW he can do good and be rewarded.
You can do it.
Posted 18 January 2008 - 05:19 AM
It's just a theory of mine as well... I actually wonder how different our birds would be if they were parent raised and stayed with their parents for a few weeks/months after weaning or handraised (and then tame them as young adults) but kept with the handraiser for at least an extra 2-3 months...
Sounds like to me though that he needs to learn how to occupy himself... is he flighted or clipped? If he's flighted does he get to fly around each day?
Posted 18 January 2008 - 06:41 AM
it sounds like your bird just needs to be taught to play on his own so he wont feel lonely and compelled to scream when you cannot be with him. tiels form VERY strong bonds with their person, and they need to be taught to occupy their time when you are away. if he doesnt like toys, a good way to get him interested in his toys is if you play with him, with his toys. tiels seem to like little bells and stuff, if you play with them and act like you are having fun with them, in time he should see that toys are fun!! and then hopefully he will play on his own and not scream so much. dont ever give up on your bird, they can be so stubborn but all the hard work will be well worth it!! dont forget to rotate his toys so he doesnt get bored with them, and rearrange his cage (if it doesnt stress him out badly), that will also give him new stuff to do while you are away. If you can, foraging toys are awesome for birds i think they are one of the best things to keep birds occupied for long periods of time, in the wild they spend tons of time foraging for food.
and just in case you are not doing this already, your bird will most likely feel much more secure if you and him have an established routine each day. teach him that he needs to play on his own, and then around the same time each day, then take him out and have your daily one-on-one time with him. no matter what, try to stick to the routine. it will take time, but he will learn that he WILL have his cuddle time with you, birds do very well if they know that each day at a certain time they get to come out and play with their human
also, try to get other members of the family to play with your bird. if he is socialized with other people, i think it would really help your situation, that way he wont be overly-dependent on just you and you alone. this will also take some time, but its one of the best things you can do for your bird, keep him well socialized
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Posted 18 January 2008 - 12:18 PM
i followed all of these points and Harvey is the sweetest he has been....just letting you know what worked for me, ah i mean Harvey...
anyway, i hope it sorts out for you and your bird
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