Zupreem or Harrison's?
Posted 12 April 2007 - 08:15 PM
Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:16 PM
I am currently feeding the tiels and lovebird Zupreem Avian Maintenance Natural Diet. I was just wondering if I should keep them on this or switch to something else. I will take all info anyone can give me. They also get Exact Rainbow as well.
I like that question I wish I would have posted it.
I feed mine the zupreem fruit flavored kind. I buy it from the pet stores by the pound. Does any one know if that is better than the rainbow kind. I have one on rainbow and others on zupreem. What is better??? The macaw is on the rainbow because that is what he/she came here with.
- if it wasnt for my fids I would go nuts
cockatiels-Kuzko and Stanly
Parakeets-Sugar and Spice
2 dogs and 5 kids
Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:36 PM
This is part of their daily food. They also get a veggy/bean mash and every few days or so they get Volkman's seed.
Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:03 AM
Miro aka Chicken (severe April 2005), Zoe(ekkie Jan 2005) and Marlow (TAG April 2006), B.B. (Cockatiel AKA mean bird July 2003), Rico and Motague (lovebirds Jan 2006), Moose, Squirrel, and Boris (guinea pigs)
Posted 13 April 2007 - 05:05 PM
so, sometimes they get more harrisons, sometimes more zupreem (different kinds - harvest mix, spicy, fruity).... in addition to A LOT of fresh food and bean mashes, bread etc.... and they are healthy and active
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Posted 14 April 2007 - 01:22 AM
Most of them are starting to accept Harrison's now - I think the reason they didn't like it at first is because it's not as crunchy as the Zupreem. I have mixed feelings about Harrison's myself - the natural/organic/preservative-free thing is a double-edged sword. Spoilage is much more of an issue, and Harrison's smells funny to me anyway and I'm not sure I'd be able to tell if it went bad.
Pellets still aren't a huge part of their diet - maybe 20% at the most. But that's OK with me. They eat a lot of sprouts plus some fruits and veggies and some dry seed and I think their diet is pretty good on the whole. They also get miscellaneous goodies like red palm oil. I feed the pellets mainly to help fill any nutritional gaps that might exist.
Posted 14 April 2007 - 09:12 AM
Zupreem Natural would be best, if you could get your birds to eat those... but if you can afford Harrison's, well that might be even better... however I don't really agree that any formulated diet is a "complete" diet, which Harrison's tries to sell you.
On top of that I still think that seeds should take up at least SOME part of a birds diet... especially so in cockatiels, budgies and p-lets too.
Posted 21 April 2007 - 11:16 PM
When I got my 2nd Goffins Peaches about six months later she was fuzzy, aggressive and screamed nonstop. Her previous owner said she'd been like that for the whole 2 years they had her. Most of the agression and screaming was because they were incorrectly reacting to her behavior but her feathers really had me stumped. I had her tested for everything but she was negative for all of it. My vet said that lots of birds have feather issues that are unexplained and that it may just be because something is missing from their natural diet or habitat that we can't replicate in captivity.
I decided to start researching reasons (besides behavioral) that a bird would have feather issues. I did about 200 hours worth of research and tried lots of things. Full spectrum lighting helped several of my birds develop more beautiful colors and better feather conditions but it didn't make any difference for Peaches.
I decided that maybe it was due to some sort of food allergy and decided to go organic. I had received a sample of Totally Organics Pellets and although she had turned her beak up at them the first time I'd tried giving them to her, (she is very, very picky!) I tried it again. She actually ate them! Literally two weeks later , I noticed that she had started growing new normal feathers! I couldn't believe it and actually, neither could my vet!
The cost of the pellets is $14 for 4 lbs so it's actually the same or less than the Zupreem even with shipping! You can only get them online unless you talk your local bird store into becoming a reseller. I had so many of my friends and bird acquaintances asking me where to get them that I signed up to be a reseller myself even though I really only sell toys and playstands!
If you are interested, their website is: Totally Organics TOP Organic Bird Pellets. You can get more info on the food and the contact information to give your bird store, if they are interested, is there as well.
I attached a picture of Peaches taken by her previous owner and one I took of her about 2 1/2 weeks after she started on the Totally Organics. Look how much of her breast is now normal feathers!! One other thing you might notice is that even though I switched her from seeds to Zupreem and then to the Totally Organics, she gained weight! Typically, being on the seed diet and then moving to something less fattening, they lose weight but for her it was the opposite. It reinforces my belief that she was reacting to something in the food. Maybe it was inhibiting her ability to absorb nutrients? Who knows but she sure is doing better!
Sorry I'm so long winded but I'm totally passionate about this topic!!
Posted 26 April 2007 - 04:22 PM
however I don't really agree that any formulated diet is a "complete" diet, which Harrison's tries to sell you.
Zupreem also says that theirs is a "complete" diet and not to add anything else.
Sisqo is on Roudybush pellets for liver care (they're prescription, as he has liver disease). I mix the Zupreem Avian Maintenance Fruit Blend in with his normal pellets every few days, just to give him a little variety.
The vet originally recommended Harrison's, but they don't have a special liver care diet.
Posted 28 July 2007 - 02:32 AM
I was checking out the organic site, it sounds great... buttt...
they misrepresent things.. ie; sunflower seeds.
SUNFLOWER SEEDS: One, if not the most, nutritious and healthy foods to be found in the dried fruits sector. They have a high content of healthy unsaturated fatty acids, contain important nutrients like vitamin E, selenium, copper, zinc, folate, iron and phytochemicals, plus are a rich source of proteins and fibers.
it does look like an okay product.. but the ingredient list is.. well, seedy.
Rice, barley, corn, sunflower seed hulled, alfalfa leaf, sesame seeds unhulled, amaranth whole, quinoa whole, buckwheat hulled, millet hulled, dandelion leaf powder, carrot powder, spinach leaf powder, purple dulse, rose hips powder, rose hips crushed, orange peel powder, lemon peel powder, rosemary whole leaf, cayenne ground, crushed red chili peppers, wheat grass powder, barley grass powder.
now, if that was supplemental to a lot of veggies and some fruits, it be fine for me too.
but I can't say much, I do harrisons and drs. foster and smith's International Feast Cooking Diets, along with fruits and veggies for my IRN parakeets, and fruits, veggies, juice, and lory nectar/powder for the lory.
Posted 28 July 2007 - 05:07 AM
oops, just noticed how old this thread is.. sorry
I'm glad you brought it back. I think it's good to re-examine the whole diet/nutrition discussions every now and then! Also great for the new bird owners that have recently joined.
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