silly questions bout my keets
Posted 26 April 2004 - 07:01 PM
i had grown to love the sounds of my birds first thing in the morning, and on sunny days, it seems that they tend to sing more when the sun was shining. it was something that i missed now that all of my birds had passed. i then went and got a new cage, and a new bird, elvis elvis was with us for about 18 months, then one afternoon i found him un-alive. i was crushed. he was my best singer yet. he loved men voices singing to him. my cockatiel loved women and elvis loved men (barry white especially). After my mourning, the children and i decided to goto the pet store, it was kinda cute, i have never been able to leave a pet store without a pet and i told them that if we got any pets, we were getting 2 of them. i had wanted a white parakeet since i decided i "dug" the idea of them, and well low and behold there was a white one in there. from what i have read on the board, i have a white female and a blue male. im not sure how old they are, heck, it was only after reading what was posted that i became sure that i have a male and a female. i often times see them "kiss" and my daughter swears to me that they are goin to make babies.
my question is, is there a way to tell if they are old enough to mate? and um, well, just how do parakeets mate? i mean um... this morning when i woke up, i kinda caught them in what i considered a compromising position (gosh i hope i am not offending anyone). i really do not think they are even close to a year old as i have only had them about 2 months and there is not "crust" on the females cere.
any help would be graciously appreciated.
Posted 26 April 2004 - 08:16 PM
You should wait a minimum of 5 months before giving them a nestbox and nesting materials... If they are breeding (male mounting female, or getting ontop of her) then you should separate them, and put them in different cages next to eachother. They may not like it but they will have to get use to it.
For the dog, you should not let him in the same room as the birds, and/or keep a lock or twisty tie on the cage doors of the cages (door/feeding doors), while keeping the cages away from the dog.
Got any pictures you coud show us???
Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:43 PM
i do have some pics i took them after i read your response... but im not sure how to post them... if someone would be willing to share how to post a pic i can put one on.
im really thinkin that atleast the male is ready to mate... but dont know about the female. oh and to let you know about the dog... well the dog is no longer with us he ran away shortly after the birds demise.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:16 AM
For the birds however, he picture is a bit blurry, and both ceres look like they are white with blue color.... Males will not have ANY white on their ceres as they mature, so it looks like you have two females, with one displaying male behaviors (two birds of the same sex can and will show male and female acts and go through the course of mating).
For cage setup, I'm not sure if you have any toys or not (I'm against mirrors), though for perches, if you could find some safe branches to use for them to sit and maybe even chew on, that would be good, and if you spaced them all out in the cage at different levels...
Posted 04 May 2004 - 09:00 PM
Posted 27 May 2004 - 03:04 AM
About 6 weeks ago, I went into a pet supply store looking to buy a treat for my dog. With the help of my childrens pleading eyes, I left the store with 4 :shock: keets, no dog treats.
The owner was moving, couldn't keep the birds, gave me the cage, birds, toys, ect. Only thing I didn't get was the "how to's". He did say 1 of the birds is 3 yrs old, the other 3 not yet a year.
Former owner had the cage set up with two larger perches (wood) near the top of the cage going across, 3 smaller wood perches corner to center in the middle, and on the side- two plastic smaller perches above the 2 top perches.
Also in the cage were a few toys with bells, ect, a double water dish, & 3 feeding dishes. I have searched trying to find how to properly set up their cage without much luck... any suggestions?
I did read here somewhere I think, that I should have a feeding dish for each bird... ? And no grit, lol, I have been putting it in their food. I'll stop that now. I also cannot get them to eat any greens, so more suggestions on what to do will be greatly appreciated.
Of the 4 birds, 3 are female. Pecking order was already established before I became the proud new owner, but I am concerned because all 3 birds tend to pick on the smallest (and my favorite) female. I wasn't able to get a whole lot of information from former owner, so I am unsure if the birds have always been in the same cage... should I possibly consider moving my little girl to a cage by herself?
The birds do not go to the bottom of the cage, even though I have tried to get them to by moving the perches so they can get down. I placed a small bowl of water on the bottom, hoping they would know they were supposed to want to bathe there, lol.
As you can tell, I am clueless... are there to many perches in the cage? Should I set the perches lower so the birds eat & drink from the bottom of the cage? The cage has feeding cups that can attach from the sides (where they are now, near the top), or I can put them near the bottom from the cage thingy meant for feeding cups...?
Sorry for the long post, and in advance I thank anyone for advice.
Posted 27 May 2004 - 03:54 AM
You should not allow breeding intentionally or unintentionally by keeping male & female in the same cage or by allowing copulation while they are out of their individual cages. If you WANT babies and therefore want to intentionally breed then you and every other bird keeper needs to be responsible and read all you can on the subject before-hand, buy the necessary breeding equipment and books and even put some money away each week for any possible emergency vet visits that may come up someday in the future. You need to learn NOW how to handfeed and if ya can't learn properly and obtain all necessary supplies in advance then please line up some human contacts who are experienced and willing to help when needed.
Btw, keets mate like most all creatures and everyone on this board seems to be adult enough (regardless of age) not to be offended by your innocent remarks relating to mating so don't worry about offending anyone.
Posted 27 May 2004 - 04:09 AM
My suggestion for you is to place your birds in as long and large a cage as you have room for. If outside, it should be safe from all predators and comfortable in all weather conditions. If inside it should have proper F.S. lighting and also safe from all the indoor hazards of everday living. You and others need to purchase books on the keeping of birds and the breeding of birds if you are going to allow that. Most of this bird-keeping hobby is plain ole common sense. Large roomy cages are best IMO and IME, food dishes and water vessels not to be put under perches for obvious reasons, use safe toys, healthy food (not just seeds), continue feeding greens and veggies, eggs properly cooked, fruits, cuttle-bone etc. etc. etc.......One can also go to the library to learn a lot on keeping pet birds.
I would make sure my kids realize that the birds are not toys. I would make sure I taught my kids the proper way to hold the birds and when to leave alone so they can eat and relax etc......Birds need a relatively stress free environment IMO which is sometimes difficult with human children around. I would not allow the kids to take the birds outside where there are many hazards.........The key to success is to study up and read all you can and make notes too. Please do not breed or allow breeding UNLESS you learn everything about it FIRST.......Good luck.....I hope your birds live a long, healthy & of course HAPPY life.
Posted 27 May 2004 - 04:39 AM
My kids are not allowed near the birds, unless I am present. I noticed right away that the birds didn't care for the actions and sounds the kids make.
I bought a book on care at the same pet supply store that gave the keets to me... it has been basically useless however. I have actually learned more here in a short time, that I have with all the book reading/web browsing I have done over the past few weeks.
I did read at another site, that as long as I didn't put breeding boxes in the cage, I wouldn't have to worry about mating/egg laying. Sigh... last thing I want/need is birds smiling at something they get more than me
I guess I'm off to the store tomorrow to buy another cage for Mr. Man Bird.
I know now, from reading another thread, that I should place greens & veggies in the cage an hour or two before putting seeds in. Hopefully that will work, as them not eating greens had been a concern of mine.
The birds certainly seem happy, they chirp and play, and we like watching each other. I went and got attached to them, go figure.
Posted 27 May 2004 - 05:27 AM
Sounds like the keets are going to wind up in a good home with a keeper such as yourself that is going to do all the right things for them.
Since you are planning to get another cage, please look for a long one rather than a tall one. Most pet stores do NOT carry decent sized cages for birds IMO. Sometimes or most of the time it is better & even cheaper to build your own.
Please also take the time to read back as many posts as possible on our board here for tips on proper keeping of birds, proper lighting, diet, etc. etc.......You may not have to buy any books if you read here everyday and as far back as you can but please do take notes to have at your finger tips when needed rather than to try and find the same info. over & over again.
Are your birds fully flighted or clipped? Are they finger tame and handable or just for watching basically?
NOT TRUE about by not putting in nest boxes that you won't have mating or eggs. You most probably will sooner or later. If you do not want to breed or handfeed or destroy innocent developing embryos, then please keep males and females in separate cages at all times UNLESS you are sitting there watching over them to keep them from mating.
I buy some cages I sell to some of my contacts from a company called www.birdsupply.com ........They have some good prices there. I suggest cage (look under aviaries) #16421 (a double flight), I like the green color myself. I like the flat top where I can easily mount my four foot long Full Spectrum fluorescent light fixture and tubes. It is approx. 5 ft. long, a decent size for flying keets although longer/larger is always better IMO.
Posted 27 May 2004 - 04:14 PM
My brother-in-law came over and insisted on clipping wings. I let him clip the wings of the 2 most active birds only . I really didn't even want those 2 to be clipped, but he told me it was for the best. (He recently lost a macaw he had for 9 years, I figured he knows better than I)
I really want to hold and play with the birds, but they freak out when my hand goes into the cage. (I don't think former owner ever finger tamed or handled the birds, or if he did, he scared the poop out of them somehow) I talk softly to them, and move slowly. I really thought with my hand going into their cage sometimes 3-4 times a day (to change water, feed) they would be accustomed to me, and know I am not going to hurt them. They don't mind when I sit near them & sometimes I swear they are "yelling" at me to come pay attention to them.
My brother-in-law said I should just get ahold of one at a time, no matter how they react. I just can't bring myself to force them, I want them to trust me, ya know.
I tried to go to allbirdsupply and kept getting redirected to a craft store site.
Do you by any chance have a picture of the type of cage you are suggesting, so I know what to look for when I shop?
My boyfriend is going to (hopefully) build me a safe area outside so the budgies can get sunshine and excerise. I'll set their cage in that area for a bit before attempting to take them out, so they get used to the change.
I can understand them having no need to bond with me, with 4 of them together in one cage... but I do wonder why they seem to be terrified of my hand going into the cage?? I try to stroke them with my finger from the outside of the cage. My little girl & Pearl will almost let me. Spring and Mr. Man will have nothing to do with even that.
I am going to try hand feeding them, maybe that will gain their trust. They LOVE that millet stuff on a stick, so I will start with that.
Again, I thank you for your help!
Posted 27 May 2004 - 04:47 PM
If you are not going to give numerous dedicated everyday attempts at handling & training those birds to become tame, then I would suggest that you do not clip them anymore and just allow them to be birds to fly around in their large, safe & properly lit aviary and enjoy life (preferably outdoors). If you make the decision to breed after having learned all you can on the subject & after you have purchased all the needed supplies to be successful, then you can put male & female together with nestboxes and produce some babies which you can then handfeed and have all the finger tame pets you want. Otherwise I would trade or sell them to someone else who is experienced and capable and get yourself a tame one or two for pets only.......JMHO.
Yeah, you really do need to clip them (most of the time) in order to tame them down much quicker but best to keep them separate from each other and even far away as possible from each other so they cannot hear their buddies. These things also speed the taming process IME. Ya almost need to live on acreage for that however.
You really need to go out and purchase a book to explain step by step (in detail) how to tame those birds down. I wish I had the time to do that for you. Also look back into the posts on this board that have already addressed that subject......Good luck
Posted 27 May 2004 - 05:59 PM
Check out RAAVE, a Reno Area Avian Enthusiasts bird club, and Parrot Connection, and an all bird store.
Joel has been giving great advice, too!
And Jill, Good Luck!
Posted 28 May 2004 - 08:51 PM
Although I am still upset about losing Spring, Kathy said the same thing once happened to her, and she made me feel better. Enough so that I am going to keep them. I'll let you know how it goes once Kathy gives me a few "how to" lessons.
Thanks again for your help,
Posted 28 May 2004 - 09:30 PM
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