Toe Tapping/Wing Flipping?
Posted 07 February 2005 - 02:07 PM
I noticed last night that my 18 month old female Vos seemed really irritated. At night I usually turn down the lights and hold her for a while before putting her to bed. Normally she will sit on her right foot and pull the left one up. Last night she did the opposite and it seemed that her right foot was bothering her. She also started flipping her wings out a bit. I didn't think a whole lot about it until she did it more than normal (not like she was settling in, more like she had an irritation). This morning when I got her up I noticed she was begining to toe tap. I've only seen this actually happen on a video through the LOV, but it has a lot of the same characteristics. However, it's not as bad as the video they have posted. Her diet hasn't changed *much* recently...(started this the end of Dec.) I began to add a few seeds and treats in with her pellet/cereal mix. I've also added roudy bush natural pellets. The last batch of "mush" that I mixed (last week) is pretty much the same, but I couldn't find the wheat pasta I normally put in, so that was eliminated. Other than that everything is the same.
Could this be caused by stress? I brought home a conure Dec 31st and it's changed our routine, but only slightly. However the noise level has increased. She seemed to be handling that well though. What do I do to help her?
Posted 07 February 2005 - 03:11 PM
The article noted that research was being conducted on the toe tapping and wing flapping of eclectus parrots located in the northern US and the southern US. In the southern US there was no incident of toe tapping or wing flapping during the winter months, but in the northern US there were a number of toe tapping and wing flapping incidents in the northern US. The article suggested that toe tapping and wing flapping may be cramps the bird is suffering from lack of ambient moisture (humidity). The humidity levels in most homes is apparently very low. It suggested increasing the humidity level to about 60% and giving the bird frequent mistings, at least once or twice a day. Within a couple of days the toe tapping and wing flapping should abate.
Other causes listed were vitamin deficiencies or dietary imbalance from too much protein, fat, etc. Recommendations on that were for a visit to the avian vet to determine if the were any medical problems causing it.
I will be getting an eclectus later this year and am researching their dietary needs, humidity needs, etc., so I can establish a good environment for the little guy.
When I searches toe tapping, there was a large amount of information on the subject with no definitive answers.
Hopefully, this information will be helpful.
Posted 07 February 2005 - 03:54 PM
First thing I would do would be to reduce the percentage of pellets to seed mix and other foods to No More Than 25% pellets for the entire day's food intake. I might even consider No Pellets for a while, to see how quickly things improve.
Many people don't know that all-pellet diets and/or more than a 50% pellet diet is not good -at all- for Eclectus (nor CAGs or TAGs they are discovering). Birds getting more than 50% pellets *seem to be* more prone to plucking and neurological 'ticks' like wing flipping, toe tapping and head twitching.
Keep us posted!
Posted 07 February 2005 - 05:25 PM
Posted 07 February 2005 - 06:03 PM
You can purchase a humidity reader at most stores for under $2. It will tell you the amount of humidity in the area.
Posted 07 February 2005 - 06:08 PM
Not just, Eclectus', CAGs or TAGs, but also smaller birds. They are finding that smaller birds on an all pellet diet are developing renal disease and/or failure at young ages.
Really? I hadn't heard about that. Interesting. I'm soooo glad I was never sucked into the whole All Pellets All The Time propaganda!
Well, that and the fact that my birds would never stand for a boring all-pellet
diet anyhow... LOL
Posted 07 February 2005 - 06:59 PM
Posted 07 February 2005 - 10:14 PM
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Posted 08 February 2005 - 01:59 PM
Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:29 PM
It will take a few days or even a week for the dietary suggestions to show any difference. As for the humidity/moisture side, I would say it will take at least two days for increased moisture to show any positive resuts.
If your bird seems to be in distress, take him to the vet ASAP.
Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:34 PM
I kept an eye on her last night...and it seems to be getting worse...does it normally get worse before getting better? How long should I wait before calling her vet about this. I removed the pellets and seeds this morning. The temps have gone up also so I was able to give her a spray down before leaving for work.
I would definitely make an appt with an avian vet, as soon as you can.
While you can't expect to see an improvement overnight, (could take a week or more -IF- it is diet related...) it would probably be wise to have her vet checked just in case.
Don't be surprised though, if your vet says he/she "doubts" the idea that
it's pellet related. *Many* vets, (not all, but many) are pretty much pellet pushers, so unfortunately, it will take a few years of cold hard facts and documented correlations for them to change their minds about Pellet diets being "the perfect diet" for birds.
But see if there's anything medical that could explain the ticks and tapping.
As for reducing or eliminating the pellets, that's a judgement call on your part,
but it won't hurt to try it for a few weeks to see if there's an improvement. (especially if blood tests and all come back negative and normal).
Please keep us updated, Ok?
Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:55 PM
Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:57 PM
My research has indicated that some pellets are good for the Eclectus, with a good mixture of fresh foods.
Something my research did say about Eclectus parrots is that they are sensitive to food dyes. If the pellets or any of the food you give you parrot has food coloring in it, it could also cause this problem. When using pellets, make certain they are natural pellets
From my experience with food allergies (my son developed an allergy to a certain additive when he was about 2 years old), you need to list each ingredient in everything you are feeding your bird. Then look for commonalities. Now, if you find something that is out of the ordinary on one of the products, stop using it, research the product and its ingredients to see what it is, what is its function, etc. It takes time for change in a food allergy, but if it is the ingredient in the product, you should see some improvement within a couple of days.
I personally am not sold on pellets. It seems that I am now seeing a lot more incidents of yeast infections, etc., especially in some of the smaller species on an all pellet diet.
I have a caique, who gets fresh foods, but I also keep a pelleted mixture of natural pellets that are heavily mixed with dried vegetables, fruits, nuts and some seeds (just for a little variety). As caiques need more fruit that other parrots, I add some additional gold raisins (her favorites), cranraisin, etc., to the mix.
Does anyone know who came up with pellets? There is too much push for pelleted diets and not enough research.
Let us know if there is any change and what the vet suggests.
Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:35 PM
Coloured pellets often cause new feathers to come out odd colours. Many believe the ekkies are susceptable to the dyes in the coloured pellets.
Pellets should be the smallest portion of their diet, if at all. Eclectus thrive on fresh veggies and fruits, since it is closer to their wild diet. Sprouts are excelent as well.
Good site: http://www.landofvos.com site belonging to Carolyn Swicegood- who is also the Ekkie expert here on BB.
Have fun! I can get lost in new animal sites for days. ^_~
Posted 09 February 2005 - 03:44 PM
Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:10 AM
I am no expert, but i was reading an article recently that said that toe tapping and wing flipping could be fixed with calcium supplementation. I can't remember where i read it, i think it was in an avicultural magazine her in Australia, but i can't remember.
Perhaps you could ask your vet about this. I personally am not convinced that pellets and vitamin and mineral supplements are great for birds. I think that sometimes they are needed for medical reasons, but does anybody really know what the long term effects are? I mean many parrots live for 20-50 years, and i am pretty sure that all the companies producing pellets and supplements haven't done 50 year case studies.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:35 AM
Feed your ekkie a diet that consists of dark green leafy veggies, broccoli, peppers, beans, pumpkin, squash, carrots, sweet potatoes, berries, apples, bananas, grapes, oranges, melons, cherries, etc.
Make sure that it also gets protein by way of cooked eggs, chicken, pork, beef and fish. That should make up about 15 to 20% of its total diet.
Start sprouting seeds and beans for your bird.
Bake birdie breads and freeze them. You can use them as a quick breakfast for your bird. Seeds and nuts should be kept to no more than 20 % of the total diet. NO SULPHUR DRIED FRUITS OR VEGGIES, PLEASE. You may offer dehydrated fruits and veggies that have not been desicated with sulphur.
Check out www.landofvos.com and learn all about the proper diet for Ekkies. This is, in my humble opinion, the BEST site on the internet for Eclectus parrot information.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 05:23 AM
My vet called back...he said that toe tapping is a behavioral issue and may just be part of her personality. I haven't read ANYTHING like that! :eusa_wall
What ended up happening? Did the toe tapping stop? My eclectus was tapping a few months ago too and after adding more calcium to her diet she stopped.
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