People are idiots!
Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:09 PM
I just read through this thread and must say I agree 100 percent with Jess. IMO the bird in the first ad looks fine. The ad says he can come and go from his cage at will, so it could be he mostly just sleeps/eats there. The second ad appears to have pictures of the bird when he was young, not now at 7 months. If you read the ad you'll notice she says the owner cannot keep him so returned him, or something to that effect, which gave me the impression that the breeder is running the ad for a bird she hand-fed that was sold then returned. Of course I could be wrong but I really don't care. It's not worth an argument.
Jess has done what we all should strive for: learned from her mistakes and gone on to educate herself. Lisa, I think the discoloration of Jasper's feathers is depigmentation, not stress marks. Stress marks manifest in thin horizontal bands. Depigmentation and bronzing can occur from rough play, too much petting or even the bird rubbing against something frequently. My last baby was awkward getting out of and back into the nest box and rubbed some of the color from some of his coverts. Until he molts them all he will look a bit discolored in those areas.
I've jumped on the band wagon a couple times on Birdboard and in retrospect am not proud of that fact. I'm making an effort not to do that anymore.
One last thought: it's hard to judge a bird by just one or two pictures. I've snapped Rosie just as she was about to set her feathers and when they are all raised just a tad bit she looks "off". If I'd clicked just a nanosecond later she would have been completely fluffed up, and if I'd waited a full minute, she'd be all smooth again. Messy feathers don't always mean something is wrong.
Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:31 PM
Yes some young ecie males have discolored beaks until 2 years old, some have a full corn colored beak by the time they wean. Some also have very untidy feathers with heaps of stress marks but once they go through their first molt & all feathers are replaced, that's when they look spectacular. Just because feathers & beak color are not up to scratch doesn't mean a bird is unhealthy.
Frankly the appearance of that bird on Gumtree is very much typical of an Eclectus male of that age.
Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:02 AM
Despite all the arguments about him not being in his cage all the time, maybe it's a sleep cage, etc, my main concern is that regardless of how much time is spent in this cage, he is being sold with it so there is every chance he will spend a long time with only this cage as his HQ. If he hasn't started chewing it, he may do so in the future, and I do not think that a cage with wooden bars that have been varnished is anything other then a huge potential hazard. I also think an ad like this would appeal to someone who wants a bird for 'ornamental' reasons, and not actually know or care too much about the actual bird, though I really hope the existing owners screen the people interested properly and choose a very loving and caring home.
Adam I understand why your vet didn't reccomend the tests, they cost a lot of money, and to be perfectly honest, if you are a single-bird household it is not such an issue. If he looks healthy and well, there is no danger of him catching anything from another bird, and if he becomes unwell in the future you can always test then. If you were to bring another bird into the home though, I'm sure the vet would recommend the tests, so that you know that Basil has no unsymptomatic viruses that can be passed onto the new bird, and vice versa.
Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:21 AM
Rahni you hit the nail on the head regarding the testing. He did say if I notice a change in anything to bring him in ASAP.
Also Rahni there are so many poorly cared for ekkies you are right. Sometimes even bird stores give out bad advice. I went into one bird store here and was told to feed my ekky a large parrot seed mix, no pellets and maybe some fruit and veg as treats!!!! The ekky they had for sale in there looked really dull! Just about every shop I have been to that has ekkies have a big bowl of seed in with them, and maybe a few cut pieces of fruit. Its no wonder the new ekkie or uninformed feed seed, after all if they buy an ekky from a store, they are going to think the store person knows everything! Lets just hope most people who do buy an ekkie do some basic research and learn of their proper dietary needs...
BTW I agree with Jess 100% I dont think that the advice she was giving is anything different than what is typical of ekky knowledge. If she did come across bad it might be because she was defensive, understandably......
Posted 26 July 2010 - 06:57 AM
Jess and Jasper
Jasper - (Eclectus) hatched 23rd Feb 2009, brought home 3rd June 2009
Taji - (YS/Cinn greencheek) bought in jan 2010 just weaned)
Dinari (YS greencheek) bought jan 2010 just weaned)
Wacko and Charlotte - (Major mitchells), got July 2010 as 15 year old pair
Alice (eclectus) - got July 2010 as 6/7 year old
Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:58 AM
Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:17 PM
if we keep judging people like this then it's going to discourage people from getting into birds rather than encourage them, and could potentially discourage people from coming here and asking for help because they are afraid of getting slaughtered because they bought a bird without knowing absolutely every little detail lol... thus they dont get help and the bird suffers....
i totally agree with this. i was a member of another forum (non-bird related), that i completely quit going to, because people were so judgemental, and really it scared me off from asking any questions, and thereby learning anything helpful or new. the main thing i am concerned about is the welfare of the birds. they can't get what they need if people remain uninformed, and people will remain uninformed if they are afraid to ask questions...
Posted 26 July 2010 - 10:02 PM
So all we know is that she wants to sell him for $1000, nothing about diet, care, etc... I think we need to stop jumping to conclusions, unless these questions were asked but I'm not seeing any mention of it.
About two posts up... Mel called her.
Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:21 AM
Forums will also have a name for this that or the other .. no matter how good or bad they are ... I watch lots of people with Eclectus parrots post on an Eclectus Parrot forum with good breeders on there that hand raise for companion parrots ... Yet some people still feel the need to visit other forums for advice or direction ..
The Australia Eclectus Parrot forum i'm talking about .. you will not find better information on there regarding this species of parrot .. you will also most likely get friendly people on there offering to call and talk with you on the phone regarding your eclectus parrot problems or questions/advice ..
I knew alot of people up at the Parrots 2010 Convention ... and why alot of people don't waste there time on them ... and Jim McKendry wrote a great blog about it on .:Parrot Behaviour & Enrichment Consultations:. ..
Don't forget forums are a public network you will never lose the people giving there opinion just like you did Jess in saying this bird was healthy ... if thats what you think then thats good for you .. and the ones who think its not .. then thats fine as well and everyone has the right to agree or disagree
I think people giving out advice specially on eclectus parrots need to be very very careful as these parrots aren't like no other .. and thats my issue with this thread ...
So each to there own as to what is up with the eckie in the gumtree ad ... and good luck to it finding the right kind of home next time around :|
Posted 09 September 2010 - 05:41 AM
How terrible,I hope he finds a better home.
If I can get him without that damned cage.... maybe they'd lower the price substantially... He doesn't look too well.
I called but no one picked up, I'll try again later.
...I like having a private number
Posted 09 September 2010 - 12:08 PM
I didn't feel like that post was pointing any fingers, just a pointed reminder to us all to give the benefit of the doubt to everyone, and let them rise above or prove how much of an idiot they really are...
People assume that because It's called a birdcage, you can really use it as one. Yet we wouldn't just pick up a lead cup and start swigging away just because its called a cup... difference is that we have all been informed that lead is unsafe to drink out of...
That said, cage is terrible and the bird looks like he's a bit ratty, but not more than some of my birds get when they gave had a good day of playing in their food.. black 'spots' can be caused by bad diet, but my nandays get black feathers sometimes from crawling around inside my jackets while I'm wearing them! It rubs off colour by ruining the 'structure' of the feather showing the melanin underneath, another sign would be 'stress bars' in the feathers.. which that bird doesn't seem to have, but yeah doesn't seem very old so probably hasn't been in that cage for long anyway...
People are idiots though, I know I am sometimes (make that lots) so I'm sure the rest of the world can be idiots too
Just my speculations though..
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